ראיון עם הפסיכואנליטיקאי נוויל סימינגטון במסגרת המסלול ללימודים מתקדמים לקרוא את ביון
Neville: you said just now, you talked about there can be something happening outside the analysis. To me, analysis – I don't define it by the relations between this person who calls himself an analyst and this patient that he is seeing.
It's a union between the mind of two people, one of them might be dead, but if he has written and expressed himself, either in writing or painting or poetry, there's a connection there, and to me analysis is not necessarily only from the analyst, and there can even be occasions where the analytic process is activated not by the analyst, and it may even be that the analyst needs to be contradicted, actually. So what I'm trying to get at is, analysis is the process by with there is an interpenetration and an interaction between one person and another, between the sensual minds of those two, where those two are, or the situation – can be varied, and it's going back to your notion of an invariant , I mean there are many, many forms of which this is just one. And I am sure you know yourself you might have been to a lecture or being taught in university by someone who has absolutely opened up and there is a new understanding of oneself and the world from what someone has said, or someone has engaged you with. So I just want to correct that.
Another way of saying the same thing is that psychoanalysis as Freud sort of devised it, is a particular way of scooping up, as it were, the type of interactions that occur between people in the human community, and it's a particular way of trying to concentrate on a particular aspect of it.
Gilit: In part, I might be able to say, or have the courage to say, that in the post-graduate program , actually, reading what Bion thought, might facilitate some kind of interaction of interpenetrating.
Neville: oh, absolutely! I couldn't agree with you more.
Gilit: yes.., and this is one of our purposes of the post-graduate, as we talked about it... to facilitate interpenetration between each one of us and Bion's thought.
Neville: I think you know that I was a priest before I came into this world of psychoanalysis. And in the last few months before I left, I used to preach ceremonies to this huge church of eight hundred people. And I was trying to work out certain inner problems and I spoke about them, but in quite a vivid way, I think. And one day a man came up to me and said 'you know, you may think that when you're speaking there on Sundays that your words just go out into the air, but actually they have meant a great deal to me'. and so, I've always thought, thinking of your course, if there are a hundred people on the course, if one person derives a new understanding and insight from it – be happy with that.